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Title: Here it comes
Post by: Jake on January 10, 2019, 09:47:03 AM
https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=press-releases&id=EFC76859-879D-4038-97DD-C577212ED17B&fbclid=IwAR2GP0bLvtAy3wJj8b7r7x5NuYHzVYUZfns7bqwDwmH9z09FvdCbqtpJiJQ (https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=press-releases&id=EFC76859-879D-4038-97DD-C577212ED17B&fbclid=IwAR2GP0bLvtAy3wJj8b7r7x5NuYHzVYUZfns7bqwDwmH9z09FvdCbqtpJiJQ)

Senators Introduce Assault Weapons Ban
Jan 09 2019
            Washington—Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) and Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) today led a group of senators in introducing the Assault Weapons Ban of 2019, an updated bill to ban the sale, transfer, manufacture and importation of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.

            In addition to Feinstein, Murphy and Blumenthal, cosponsors of the bill include Senators Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), d*ck Durbin (D-Ill.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Tom Carper (D-Del.), Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Bob Casey (D-Pa.), Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Tina Smith (D-Minn.), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) and Mark Warner (D-Va.).

            “Last year we saw tens of thousands of students nationwide take to the streets to demand action to stop mass shootings and stem the epidemic of gun violence that plagues our communities. Our youngest generation has grown up with active-shooter drills, hiding under their desks—and now they’re saying enough is enough,” said Senator Dianne Feinstein. “Americans across the nation are asking Congress to reinstate the federal ban on military-style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. If we’re going to put a stop to mass shootings and protect our children, we need to get these weapons of war off our streets.”

            “Military-style assault rifles are the weapons of choice for mass murderers. There’s just no reason why these guns, which were designed to kill as many people as quickly as possible, are sold to the public,” said Senator Chris Murphy. “This past year, we’ve seen Americans rise up and demand Congress change our gun laws. Banning assault weapons would save lives, and I’m proud to join Senator Feinstein in introducing this bill.”

            “Assault weapons and high-capacity magazines are deadly and dangerous weapons of war that belong on battlefields—not our streets. They have no purpose for self-defense or hunting, and no business being in our schools, churches and malls,” said Senator Richard Blumenthal. “By passing this legislation, Congress can honor the memory of the beautiful lives cut short by military-style assault weapons in Newtown, Parkland, Las Vegas, San Bernardino and far too many other American cities. This is the year for my colleagues to turn our rhetoric into reality and finally end America’s gun violence epidemic.”

Key provisions:

Bans the sale, manufacture, transfer and importation of 205 military-style assault weapons by name. Owners may keep existing weapons.
Bans any assault weapon that accepts a detachable ammunition magazine and has one or more military characteristics including a pistol grip, a forward grip, a barrel shroud, a threaded barrel or a folding or telescoping stock. Owners may keep existing weapons.
Bans magazines and other ammunition feeding devices that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition, which allow shooters to quickly fire many rounds without needing to reload. Owners may keep existing magazines.
Exemptions to bill:

The bill exempts by name more than 2,200 guns for hunting, household defense or recreational purposes.
The bill includes a grandfather clause that exempts all weapons lawfully possessed at the date of enactment.
Other provisions:

Requires a background check on any future sale, trade or gifting of an assault weapon covered by the bill.
Requires that grandfathered assault weapons are stored using a secure gun storage or safety device like a trigger lock.
Prohibits the transfer of high-capacity ammunition magazines.
Bans bump-fire stocks and other devices that allow semi-automatic weapons to fire at fully automatic rates.
Updates to Assault Weapons Ban of 2017:

Bans stocks that are “otherwise foldable or adjustable in a manner that operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability of a firearm.”
Bans assault pistols that weigh 50 or more ounces when unloaded, a policy included in the original 1994 ban.
Bans assault pistol stabilizing braces that transform assault pistols into assault rifles by allowing the shooter to shoulder the weapon and fire more accurately.
Bans Thordsen-type grips and stocks that are designed to evade a ban on assault weapons.
Mass shootings that took place last year using military-style assault rifles:

Las Vegas, Nev. (October 2018): In the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history, a gunman opened fire on concertgoers in Las Vegas, killing 58 people and injuring 422 others. The gunman used multiple AR-15 style assault rifles fitted with bump-fire stocks.
Sutherland Springs, Texas (October 2018): A gunman entered a church killing 26 parishioners and injuring 20 others. His weapon was an AR-15 style assault rifle.
Parkland, Fla. (February 2018): A student at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School opened fire on his classmates and teachers, killing 17 and injuring 17 more.
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Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: edgephoto on January 10, 2019, 09:55:37 AM
This why we need Ginsberg to drop dead. I do want her to suffer long slow painful death. Not to long because we need to get someone sworn in before the end of the year.
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: TominCt. on January 10, 2019, 10:01:11 AM
It makes you wonder.
 Do the politicians really believe that us lawful gun owners are one step away from a physiological crash and will shoot up the public?
 They cant really believe that.
I just dont get it
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: zacker001 on January 10, 2019, 10:16:13 AM
Sure they will listen to thousands of kids when they take to the streets when they are in step with the democrat agenda but if these same kids took to the streets with the same passion FOR less gun control these people wouldn't give them the time of day! we have an "Us Vs. Them" government... its never going to change!
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: sbhaven on January 10, 2019, 11:05:43 AM
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Do the politicians really believe that us lawful gun owners are one step away from a physiological crash and will shoot up the public?
 They cant really believe that.
I just dont get it
Actually some do believe that. It's called projection. How it works is some fear what they might do with firearms. If they had a gun and got angry they'd shoot something or someone. They cannot control their own fear and anger. So they project that fear and assume that everyone is potentially capable of using a firearm as they would if they gave into their fears and gave into their anger.

They simply cannot comprehend that someone else can control their anger and fears. They cannot comprehend that most people who own guns are actually mentally stable and have never used their guns in harm or in anger.

Keep in mind that most progressives belive that the state is responsible for protecting the individual (inspite of court cases to the contrary). So they feel why should they need a gun when the state will protect them? They then project that onto others and demand only police and military (you know employees of the state) should possess guns. It's why police/military are always exempted from their edicts regarding gun bans. They cannot comprehend the state harming them (as the founders experienced) so they feel the 2nd is outmoded and outdated. They actually ignore history and say who needs guns when they cannot stand up to the state which has; tanks, airplanes, and nukes.

If one hasn't read Raging Against Self Defense: A psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality (http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ragingagainstselfdefense.htm) they should. Its a good primer on why some are so fearful of guns and seek to ban them.
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: Steevo on January 10, 2019, 11:14:22 AM
dont doubt a mass shooting to take place very very soon, these things somehow always happen at the worst times when a bill is trying to be passed......

*** if the public wont see our facts on gun control, scare them into it.....
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: M1A_All_Day on January 10, 2019, 11:16:58 AM
All it will take is one more sensational event to make a new Fedral AW ban happen.

All it will take is one more Supreme Court appointment to make is possible to challenge every state and federal AW ban and have them struck-down.
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: Will1776 on January 10, 2019, 03:55:08 PM
"Bans Thordsen-type grips and stocks that are designed to evade a ban on assault weapons."

I've said it before and I'll say it again. This bill would ban every single semi auto rifle and shotgun unless specifically listed as exempt due to the new definition of pistol grip which allows them to ban the featureless stocks and would also ban traditional stocks because they have a characteristic that can function as a grip. This is 10x worse than 1994 ban.
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: Jake on January 10, 2019, 04:50:41 PM
https://gununiversity.com/assault-weapon-ban-of-2019/
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: sbhaven on January 10, 2019, 07:06:25 PM
Not sure it would pass the Senate but it will pass the House with our usual Rep gun grabbers gleefully voting for it. I could easily see it passing the Senate too thanks to RINOS there. I could also see the Dem's making a trade with Trump. We'll give you the wall later if you give us the gun grab now. If Trump did such a deal he'll torch most if not all of the Republican base. Plus as we've seen the past (Reagan for example) the Dem's NEVER honor their claims of give us this and we'll give you that later.

Like said above the "Thordsen-type grip" (an effort to go after the fuggly NY AR stocks) has the potential to ban all semi auto rifles. Will probably have to wait till the actual bill is filed and we can get a look at the proposed language. Obviously they will not included a sunset in this one like the 94 one.

Right now based on what they've proposed, not sure it would pass the current SCOTUS. Some of what they suggest seems like overreach for even a fence sitting SCOTUS justice.
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: Thirdson73 on January 10, 2019, 08:04:51 PM
I'm with Stevo on this one, not long before theirs another horrific event. It always seems to coincide
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: edgephoto on January 10, 2019, 08:09:14 PM
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I'm with Stevo on this one, not long before theirs another horrific event. It always seems to coincide

It will happen. Probably with a Thorsden stock or a pistol grip. They are working on Social Media to get the next person to snap
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: BigBob on January 10, 2019, 09:37:27 PM
OK, NON-CT readers....where ya gonna move to now?
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: JBear on January 11, 2019, 05:42:32 AM
Brazil.
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: sbhaven on January 11, 2019, 06:19:59 AM
Yeah it's uncanny how every time either a pro gun bill is advanced in DC or a anti gun bill is suggested there is a high profile shooting (pushed by the media) or a mass shooting right around the corner. Like fracking clockwork.

Right now the gun grabbers with their media minions are hard at work at the state level rather than in the past at the national level.

Some examples of other states going derpy with proposed gun bans.
Oregon: https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB501/Introduced (https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB501/Introduced)

Maine: Emails Emerge Showing Senior Democrat Lawmakers Calling to Ban Hunting Rifles (https://freemaine.nationbuilder.com/democrat_lawmakes_support_ban_on_maine_hunting_rifles)

WA: https://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/uploadedfiles/Home/Office_Initiatives/Legislative_Agenda/2019/HC%20Magazines.pdf (https://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/uploadedfiles/Home/Office_Initiatives/Legislative_Agenda/2019/HC%20Magazines.pdf)
https://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/uploadedfiles/Home/Office_Initiatives/Legislative_Agenda/2019/AW%20Ban.pdf (https://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/uploadedfiles/Home/Office_Initiatives/Legislative_Agenda/2019/AW%20Ban.pdf)
https://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/uploadedfiles/Home/Office_Initiatives/Legislative_Agenda/2019/Ghost%20Guns.pdf (https://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/uploadedfiles/Home/Office_Initiatives/Legislative_Agenda/2019/Ghost%20Guns.pdf)
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: M1A_All_Day on January 11, 2019, 09:15:39 AM
I'm actually surprised the Feinstein press release is worded so closely to the prior AW bans. Banning by name, etc. The national firearm community has demonstrated an amazing level of creativity and tenacity in work-arounds- especially us here in CT. At some point, it's going to occur to them that a blanket ban on semi-auto centerfire is the only way to really achieve what they want to do. They can try to choke-off individual make/model all they want, but as we known here in CT, "types" and "patterns" of individual models is ambiguous.

Remember, they're thinking about gun control in an 80/20 mentality. They think 80% of people buying guns legally will just be steered by laws and not push back too hard, following the herd. The reality is its more like the inverse- 20% are probably your pedestrian firearm enthusiasts and the majority and highly-engaged. Look at the CT AW registration figures and the recent New Jersey mag ban figures (in which case 0% turned-in anything).

Today, we can see the landscape clearly. States are passing new regs all the time with mostly liberal state legislatures. At a Federal level, yes- the Senate and Congress and majority blue, and Executive GOP. Don't count on any meaningful new Federal legislature as it stands today.

... But the next Presidential election- if the Executive goes blue, that's a shitstorm. Federal buyback program would seem plausible (modeled after Australia). Hey, we managed to do "Cash-For-Clunkers" about 10n years ago, no reason at all a totally-liberal Federal government would not try a Federal buyback.

If it stays GOP, more of the same we have today.

But the most PROMISING and HOPEFUL path is if we get another conservative pro-2a Supreme Court appointment. I could see just about every state firearm ban brought to appeal there and getting overturned. That would be magnanimous and the truth is we're just one Justice away from that. Doesn't matter how blue the Legislative branch gets- the (relatively young) conservative Supreme Court Justices stay.

In all seriousness though, continue  to plan on the worst. We, the CT firearm enthusiast community in Connecticut have been navigating ever-changing laws ever since the Federal 2004 AW sunset. We are very careful in what we own and know the long-term value of what we own. We're used to it.

Always think about hardware as a long-term asset. Get the one's you'd always want and hang onto them. The 2a pressure is going to outlive all of us, make sure your next generation has something to be passed-down from you to them.
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: TominCt. on January 11, 2019, 09:56:15 AM
How about all the gun shops that will have 25%-40% less inventory to just make their break even point.
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: M1A_All_Day on January 11, 2019, 10:36:00 AM
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How about all the gun shops that will have 25%-40% less inventory to just make their break even point.

Nothing spurs firearm sales like impending firearm legislation, this can be a feast or famine. All dealers and manufacturers know they must adapt quickly to survive. If we saw sweeping bans, most shops that are not capable of moving volume (adapted to whatever compliance looks like) will drop-out. I'm not a dealer, but I think most would agree margins are thin and volume is key.

Above all, virtually nothing will diminish the true allure, pride, and demand for firearm ownership and shooting sports in America. They can pass all the laws they want, that's not going to make most enthusiasts walk away. Look at Australia and UK- citizens are severely restricted on what they can own and under what conditions they can practice, but they do it nonetheless to maximum possible. Different dynamics in America, obviously- its enshrined in our Constitution. ..."the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: IH8SPM on January 11, 2019, 06:33:22 PM
A shooting has occurred today on que.......

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Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: sbhaven on January 11, 2019, 06:40:06 PM
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A shooting has occurred today on que.......
What shooting?
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: JBear on January 11, 2019, 06:44:10 PM
I don't really see that hunting rifle ban in Maine getting very far, but WTFDIK
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: IH8SPM on January 11, 2019, 06:47:52 PM
http://kval.com/news/local/heavy-police-presences-at-cascade-middle-school-in-eugene

Not as dramatic as written but fear none the less.

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Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: BigBob on January 11, 2019, 06:48:16 PM
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What shooting?

https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article224290565.html (https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article224290565.html)

Witness: Davis police officer was ambushed by bystander who then targeted ‘random people'.
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: sbhaven on January 11, 2019, 07:01:17 PM
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https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article224290565.html (https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article224290565.html)

Witness: Davis police officer was ambushed by bystander who then targeted ‘random people'.
The shooter turned the gun on themselves. Shooting happened in Cali with already insane gun laws. No one other than the unfortunate officer tragically shot dead. Will sound cold but it won't be enough to move the care meter for gun grabbers since the victim is a cop. (Note: not a shot at the police, rather a shot at Democrats who often deride the police for political/racial gain.) Not enough victims, not enough blood for them to dance in. They're being awfully quiet about the suicided shooter at the moment.
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: JBear on January 11, 2019, 07:05:55 PM
That is was a cop and in CA is exactly why it isn't being hyped to the moon on the MSM from coast to coast.
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: IH8SPM on January 11, 2019, 11:18:10 PM
Mall shooting of rivals in mall.

https://www.nj.com//hudson/2019/01/shooting-at-newport-mall-in-jersey-city.html


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Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: LostCanuck on January 12, 2019, 12:10:50 AM
Used to live in Newport.  Overall nice, but the movie theater at the mall was a sh*tshow. 

Like this.

https://youtu.be/b-dtPr_c5Mw
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: Mustang on January 12, 2019, 05:30:23 AM
I bet you will only hear a peep out of the NRA. Lets not forget this proposed law while were talking bout the firearm ban of 2019

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/7115 (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/7115)



Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: BerettaBoy213 on January 12, 2019, 01:24:22 PM
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I bet you will only hear a peep out of the NRA. Lets not forget this proposed law while were talking bout the firearm ban of 2019

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/7115 (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/7115)

I'm sure Wayne will be willing to trade that and the confiscation-without-due-process bill for the difi AWB.
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: sbhaven on January 13, 2019, 06:36:43 AM
Guy who murdered the officer apparently identified.

Gunman who killed Davis Officer Natalie Corona was ordered to surrender AR-15 rifle
https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article224372145.html (https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article224372145.html)

Yolo County Superior Court records show Limbaugh was charged in September with battery with serious bodily injury, a incident that a source said stemmed from him punching a co-worker at Cache Creek Casino in the face after a dispute.

The case was resolved as a misdemeanor conviction, and California Department of Justice records show he agreed to surrender a black .223-caliber Bushmaster AR-15 rifle in November.

Court records suggested Limbaugh did not possess any other weapons, and authorities have yet to determine where he obtained the two semiautomatic handguns he may have used in a Thursday night rampage that killed the 22-year-old officer and shot up a surrounding downtown neighborhood.

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Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: JBear on January 13, 2019, 07:28:14 AM
No, no, that can't be right. Gun confiscation works!
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: BigBob on January 13, 2019, 10:39:26 AM
records show he agreed to surrender a black .223-caliber Bushmaster AR-15 rifle

Black....   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: BerettaBoy213 on January 13, 2019, 12:44:15 PM
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records show he agreed to surrender a black .223-caliber Bushmaster AR-15 rifle

Black....   :facepalm:

a pink one would have been OK though. he could have marched with it along side linda sarsour.
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: Mustang on January 13, 2019, 02:56:41 PM
http://youtu.be/ckcH-3wilYU (http://youtu.be/ckcH-3wilYU)
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: Mustang on January 13, 2019, 02:56:58 PM
http://youtu.be/6OBkehfAlS0 (http://youtu.be/6OBkehfAlS0)
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: turbotype87 on January 13, 2019, 03:16:09 PM
Feinstein the old bag has been pushing her assault weapons ban for years. I'm not worried it will never get through the senate.
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: shermer-high on January 13, 2019, 04:35:20 PM
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Feinstein the old bag has been pushing her assault weapons ban for years. I'm not worried it will never get through the senate.
True but that's what everyone said in 94.
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: JP90Talon on January 13, 2019, 05:11:22 PM
Has there been anything put forward on the local lvl yet?  Have "other" purchase on my list but gonna take a bit to save up.
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: Flatulence on January 13, 2019, 05:47:59 PM
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Has there been anything put forward on the local lvl yet?  Have "other" purchase on my list but gonna take a bit to save up.

From what I have heard it is an active topic but the tolls are the main priority. They want to take our money first then our guns.
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: BerettaBoy213 on January 13, 2019, 06:56:01 PM
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Has there been anything put forward on the local lvl yet?  Have "other" purchase on my list but gonna take a bit to save up.

make it a priority savings target, you never know when they'll suddenly change things.
Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: Mustang on January 14, 2019, 04:42:54 AM
Looks like some AK-47 weilding Manchurian candidate was activated ...aanndd STOPPED by firearm owner! Though we wont hear this on main stream news. This took place only a few weeks ago


https://twitter.com/hashtag/ThePewPewLife?src=hash (https://twitter.com/hashtag/ThePewPewLife?src=hash)


https://www.guns.com/news/2019/01/09/security-guard-stops-ak-armed-active-shooter-at-nightclub-videos (https://www.guns.com/news/2019/01/09/security-guard-stops-ak-armed-active-shooter-at-nightclub-videos)


https://www.tacticalshit.com/armed-private-security-officer-stopped-nightclub-active-shooter-video/ (https://www.tacticalshit.com/armed-private-security-officer-stopped-nightclub-active-shooter-video/)






Title: Re: Here it comes
Post by: Supes3 on January 14, 2019, 09:48:46 AM
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Feinstein the old bag has been pushing her assault weapons ban for years. I'm not worried it will never get through the senate.

She won't stop until they are all taken ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj4AcjyuV38 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj4AcjyuV38)