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Author Topic: The future of Smith Tactical - FFL 07 / SOT  (Read 1408 times)

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Re: The future of Smith Tactical - FFL 07 / SOT
« Reply #55 on: July 10, 2019, 11:21:54 AM »
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So you say that every manufacturer that makes an other has to submit it to ATF tech branch for approval?


They don't HAVE to, but in CT it was HIGHLY recommended by our ATF examiner to CYA. Its basically free insurance (sort of). I personally dont find large scale manufacturing worth the risk but everything I have done "other" related has been sent in for a determination.
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Re: The future of Smith Tactical - FFL 07 / SOT
« Reply #56 on: July 10, 2019, 12:02:18 PM »
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They don't HAVE to, but in CT it was HIGHLY recommended by our ATF examiner to CYA. Its basically free insurance (sort of). I personally dont find large scale manufacturing worth the risk but everything I have done "other" related has been sent in for a determination.

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Re: The future of Smith Tactical - FFL 07 / SOT
« Reply #57 on: July 10, 2019, 12:02:34 PM »
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They don't HAVE to, but in CT it was HIGHLY recommended by our ATF examiner to CYA. Its basically free insurance (sort of). I personally dont find large scale manufacturing worth the risk but everything I have done "other" related has been sent in for a determination.

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Re: The future of Smith Tactical - FFL 07 / SOT
« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2019, 10:58:18 AM »
I haven’t had the inspection yet, however when I spoke to my agent, that’s been dealing with my town for 6 months - I was informed that I had to. She was very adamant about it.

If she’s wrong, day 1 I’ll manufacture and have samples out anyway. It just changes what I’m ordering and when.

I’m just trying to not be Stamford.

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Re: The future of Smith Tactical - FFL 07 / SOT
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2019, 12:05:18 PM »
What I tried to say two times above is that anything decided by the ATF tech branch has little effect on CT. ATF only looks at federal laws. So they may approve something that still will get you in trouble with the State.
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Re: The future of Smith Tactical - FFL 07 / SOT
« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2019, 12:31:57 PM »
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What I tried to say two times above is that anything decided by the ATF tech branch has little effect on CT. ATF only looks at federal laws. So they may approve something that still will get you in trouble with the State.

That is correct. But having a determination that something you made is in fact an "other" as defined by Federal law can't hurt if the state climbs up your ass.
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Re: The future of Smith Tactical - FFL 07 / SOT
« Reply #61 on: July 11, 2019, 01:24:09 PM »
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That is correct. But having a determination that something you made is in fact an "other" as defined by Federal law can't hurt if the state climbs up your ass.
It will not help. Not one bit. It is either legal in CT or it is not. Nobody in the CT legal system will give a rats ass if it legal anywhere else.
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Re: The future of Smith Tactical - FFL 07 / SOT
« Reply #62 on: July 11, 2019, 02:25:33 PM »
Well, frack it then.

Manufacturing day 1.

If I'm going to play with fire, might as well make it worth it.

I'll send samples and just keep on keeping on.

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Re: The future of Smith Tactical - FFL 07 / SOT
« Reply #63 on: July 11, 2019, 02:34:13 PM »
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Well, frack it then.

Manufacturing day 1.

If I'm going to play with fire, might as well make it worth it.

I'll send samples and just keep on keeping on.
I am not saying not to do it. I am not trying to tell others (other people) what to do. Just expressing my opinion.  Just know that it is only a CYA that might not CYA. I hope you do well with what you want to do.
I would love to get involved in the other market but until there are clear definitions there is no way I will stick my neck out.
I feel certain that if you make anything that does not fit the rifle or handgun definitions you will be fine as long as they are CT compliant. But that is with your life and bank account not mine.

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Re: The future of Smith Tactical - FFL 07 / SOT
« Reply #64 on: July 11, 2019, 03:14:20 PM »
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I am not saying not to do it. I am not trying to tell others (other people) what to do. Just expressing my opinion.  Just know that it is only a CYA that might not CYA. I hope you do well with what you want to do.
I would love to get involved in the other market but until there are clear definitions there is no way I will stick my neck out.
I feel certain that if you make anything that does not fit the rifle or handgun definitions you will be fine as long as they are CT compliant. But that is with your life and bank account not mine.

We're good bud.

It's really a question of, is the juice worth the squeeze?

If the reality is that I'm CYA'ing on a product that I know fits the criteria, then we're good to go as long as they're CT compliant.

My examiner has been wrong more than a few times in this process so, it boils down to again, is the risk worth the reward.

Now, Stamford had a bunch of issues that, I'm not reproducing. I have no intention of putting myself in that position, period.

So, I'll CMA and just make sure I'm within CT compliance.

They either are or they aren't...You know?

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Re: The future of Smith Tactical - FFL 07 / SOT
« Reply #65 on: July 11, 2019, 04:49:05 PM »
What was Stamford tactical doing wrong that they got in trouble for?