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Author Topic: Is a pinned upper and lower required?  (Read 997 times)

Online joelcramer

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Re: Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2019, 01:58:05 PM »
Why would Hex Mags be illegal?

I could maybe get there on the “spare” upper if you had a VFG on it am not other rifle that could accept (registered AW, preban, SCR, etc.), but this is the issue... with no real guidance, a lot of people at gun shops are making assumptions and presenting them as fact.
Or just repeating what they heard another customer or employee say.

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Re: Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2019, 03:19:26 PM »
I believe that the Hex Mag thing was the fact their first gen 10/30 mags had a removable "block" so all you had to do was remove the block and add a new follower amd 30 rd spring and you had a standard cap mag.  they have since changed their design to eliminate that. 

That was my understanding on the Hex Mags

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Re: Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2019, 09:00:42 PM »
Misinformation abounds in every area not just guns. In this case just about everything you were told is wrong. You can have all the spare parts you want including bolt carriers.  The only mags that are banned in CT are those over 10 rounds. What is so special about Hex Mags that would make them banned? As for the upper receiver, as long as you have a legal use for it it is legal to have. The old theory of constructive possession went out the door when ATF went after Thompson Center about the ability to swap out parts on the contender to make a rifle or a pistol. ATF said you "could" make a short barreled rifle by adding the pistol grip and a long barrel. The court said nonsense.

So "constructive posession" is not a real thing now (if ever)?

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Re: Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2019, 09:05:16 PM »
I believe that the Hex Mag thing was the fact their first gen 10/30 mags had a removable "block" so all you had to do was remove the block and add a new follower amd 30 rd spring and you had a standard cap mag.  they have since changed their design to eliminate that. 

That was my understanding on the Hex Mags

I believe the swap is still possible, but it comes from the factory as a 10 round mag, not a 30 round mag modified to only accept 10 rounds. Also any cop is going to test the magazine by seeing how many rounds he can squeeze in. I'm of the opinion that a cop isn't going to look further if he can't squeeze more than 10 in  :dunno:
« Last Edit: May 17, 2019, 09:05:55 PM by Will1776 »

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Re: Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2019, 09:51:59 PM »
Yea, I agree with Will. The fact that you can modify something doesn’t inherently mean it’s illegal.  The Hexmag - regardless of generation - are fine until someone does something illegal to modify it from a factory 10/30 to a 30.

Under the same logic, basically any 10/30 would be illegal because you could drill the retainer pin at the bottom, remove the plate, cut the round limiter and replace the spring lol.  Could be done but the mag isn’t illegal until some actual broke the law.

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Re: Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2019, 10:51:07 PM »
Yea, I agree with Will. The fact that you can modify something doesn’t inherently mean it’s illegal.  The Hexmag - regardless of generation - are fine until someone does something illegal to modify it from a factory 10/30 to a 30.

Under the same logic, basically any 10/30 would be illegal because you could drill the retainer pin at the bottom, remove the plate, cut the round limiter and replace the spring lol.  Could be done but the mag isn’t illegal until some actual broke the law.


If we were worried about it, no FFLs would be selling the Troy or MFT mags. Same goes for threaded barrels, etc. It what the customer does with it that matters.

I dont sell hex mags because of the amount of failures I have seen customers in the range have with them.
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Re: Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2019, 11:24:25 PM »
So "constructive posession" is not a real thing now (if ever)?
It is only a thing if you have no legal use for the parts you have. The Contender case made it clear that just because you can is not enough.

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Re: Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2019, 08:39:25 AM »
I had always wondered about the Contender. Interesting information.


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Re: Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2019, 11:47:11 AM »
Great example of how gun owners are their worst enemy, asking so many self-prohecizing questions about minutiae of gun laws that don't even exist. Good, sane advice in here and I always appreciate the sanity-check from seasoned FFLs (thank you).

RE: Ability to remove upper from lower on a CT-Compliant "Other" firearm... I am not a lawyer- but the by-far the biggest Federal legal precedent I remember when considering constructive possession is US v. Thompson. From Wikipedia GCS article:

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Owning both a short barrel and a legal-length rifle could be construed as intent to build an illegal, unregistered SBR. This possibility was contested and won in the U.S. Supreme Court case of United States v. Thompson-Center Arms Company. ATF lost the case, and was unable to prove that possession of a short barrel for the specific pistol configuration of a Thompson Contender is illegal. ATF later released ruling 2011-4[19] to clarify the legal status of owning such conversion kits.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Thompson-Center_Arms_Co.

ATF 2011-4[19]:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/ruling/2011-4-pistols-configured-rifles-rifles-configured-pistols/download
« Last Edit: May 18, 2019, 11:49:18 AM by M1A_All_Day »

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Re: Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2019, 01:58:45 PM »

If we were worried about it, no FFLs would be selling the Troy or MFT mags. Same goes for threaded barrels, etc. It what the customer does with it that matters.

I dont sell hex mags because of the amount of failures I have seen customers in the range have with them.

Aren’t the Troy mags glued shut?