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Author Topic: Is a pinned upper and lower required?  (Read 973 times)

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Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« on: May 16, 2019, 08:05:05 PM »
I know this has been talked about before but I can’t find much. Is it required to have the upper and lower pinned together on a CT other? I want to know if it’s a legal issue not a feel good issue.  I have to be honest I’m asking because I have been hearing some really unreal shit at gun shops lately. I’ve heard complete bull about magazines and having parts ETC. I find it alarming some of the miss information people that work at gun shops are giving. So I would appreciate a yes or no type answer because a upper and lower pinned together isn’t a grey area it’s either the way it is or isn’t.

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Re: Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2019, 08:29:27 PM »
Not required.
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Re: Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2019, 08:34:53 PM »
Thank you. I hope the FFL s that tell people you will get arrested if it’s not pinned see this.

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Re: Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2019, 08:45:08 PM »
If you get one that is "pinned", it's probably just a takedown pin that is drilled a bit deeper in the pin itself where the detent seats (or some other special version of a takedown pin that seats the detent overly-deep). I had a SGW a long time ago that got the detent stuck up there and the easiest way to get it out was to make one cut across the head of the takedown pin, though the detent, then the tail end half of the detent could push right up into the takedown pin head and it came out.

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Re: Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2019, 08:20:51 AM »
If you get one that is "pinned", it's probably just a takedown pin that is drilled a bit deeper in the pin itself where the detent seats (or some other special version of a takedown pin that seats the detent overly-deep). I had a SGW a long time ago that got the detent stuck up there and the easiest way to get it out was to make one cut across the head of the takedown pin, though the detent, then the tail end half of the detent could push right up into the takedown pin head and it came out.

Troy does it on purpose I guess for CYA. They are easily removed with a drill or a mallet and punch if you are so inclined to do so.
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Re: Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2019, 08:54:31 AM »
While it would be a PITA to keep it pinned (cleaning), I can see why they'd play it safe.
Sear blocks, non-spec pivot pins, non-spec FCG pins, FCG pocket webbing, etc- Colt wrote the book on it.

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Re: Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2019, 09:40:47 AM »
In CT as with the whole country there is no guidance from any law that tells us what an "other" is. There is no guidance on what features an "other" needs to have. The only definition of "other" is that it does not fit the description of a long gun or a pistol. That is it. The "other has been around for a long time but nobody really knew it. The first "other" that was brought to the top was the Mossberg pistol grip shotguns. FFLs were told that those could not be sold to anyone under 21 because they do not fit the description of a long gun so they were to be treated like a pistol.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2019, 09:54:43 AM by joelcramer »

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Re: Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2019, 01:35:59 PM »
Thanks for the reply’s. The issue I have with it is changing parts. I simply wanted to change my muzzle device and It was annoying trying to do it without being able to use my vice block. I got it done but it could have been much easier. The other issue I have with it is what people who work at gun shops tell you. I was told yesterday that anyone who sells a other without a pinned upper and lower is going to get in “big” trouble. Here are some other things I have been told lately from a few gun shops.

You can’t have a spare bolt carrier group.
Hex mags are illegal in CT.
You can’t have a spare upper receiver. Even if you have a preban or registered rifle. 

Not trying to cause a big issue I understand the laws are very confusing. There are also plenty of gun shops that give good solid information. I almost feel bad for the owners because it’s always some younger kid that works at the store that gives crap information.

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Re: Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2019, 01:54:42 PM »
Thanks for the reply’s. The issue I have with it is changing parts. I simply wanted to change my muzzle device and It was annoying trying to do it without being able to use my vice block. I got it done but it could have been much easier. The other issue I have with it is what people who work at gun shops tell you. I was told yesterday that anyone who sells a other without a pinned upper and lower is going to get in “big” trouble. Here are some other things I have been told lately from a few gun shops.

You can’t have a spare bolt carrier group.
Hex mags are illegal in CT.
You can’t have a spare upper receiver. Even if you have a preban or registered rifle. 

Not trying to cause a big issue I understand the laws are very confusing. There are also plenty of gun shops that give good solid information. I almost feel bad for the owners because it’s always some younger kid that works at the store that gives crap information.
Misinformation abounds in every area not just guns. In this case just about everything you were told is wrong. You can have all the spare parts you want including bolt carriers.  The only mags that are banned in CT are those over 10 rounds. What is so special about Hex Mags that would make them banned? As for the upper receiver, as long as you have a legal use for it it is legal to have. The old theory of constructive possession went out the door when ATF went after Thompson Center about the ability to swap out parts on the contender to make a rifle or a pistol. ATF said you "could" make a short barreled rifle by adding the pistol grip and a long barrel. The court said nonsense.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2019, 01:55:57 PM by joelcramer »

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Re: Is a pinned upper and lower required?
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2019, 01:55:38 PM »
Why would Hex Mags be illegal?

I could maybe get there on the “spare” upper if you had a VFG on it am not other rifle that could accept (registered AW, preban, SCR, etc.), but this is the issue... with no real guidance, a lot of people at gun shops are making assumptions and presenting them as fact.