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Author Topic: Debate about tolls/Connecticut being driven by fake facts/flawed assumptions  (Read 622 times)

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A very good read:

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Yes, a very good read.
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I fear it is because big-spenders in the administration and the legislature want a new revenue source so the growth of state government may continue unabated. That was the real reason for the state income tax, and the spending it enabled has brought Connecticut to its knees.
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. This is the real reason for tolls. Its not about funding transportation infrastructures its about providing the spend happy politicians with a new slush fund to play with.
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Tolling bill has approval guarantee; plan could be automatically submitted to the Federal Highway Administration
BY PAUL HUGHES REPUBLICAN-AMERICAN
March 16, 201914706

HARTFORD — Democrats on the Transportation Committee proposed a tolling bill that gives the General Assembly an out and guarantees a tolling plan is submitted to the Federal Highway Administration — and becomes reality on the state’s highways.

If the House and Senate both fail to vote within a 15-day window for approving a tolling plan for submission to the FHA, it is automatically approved under the Democratic bill.

This setup means the House speaker and the Senate president could have the final say because either top leader — or both — could refuse to call a vote on submitting the tolling plan.

The bill was crafted so even if one chamber rejected the tolling plan, it would be considered approved if the other had no vote.

The bigger question is whether the legislature will authorize the DOT to draft a tolling plan at all.

Once the DOT crafts a toll plan and the committee holds and then closes a hearing, the 15-day window opens.

Tolls: How They Might Happen
Democrats are proposing a two-step process for approving a highway tolling plan in a Transportation Committee bill.
First, the Democratic legislation requires the House and Senate vote to have the state Department of Transportation prepare a tolling plan. It will lay out the location of tolling gantries, toll rates, discounts to state motorists and estimates of capital and operational costs.
House Bill 7280 then proposes two options for authorizing its submission to the Federal Highway Administration. One route would require the approvals of the House and Senate again. The other would allow that to happen automatically.
The bill gives the Transportation Committee 10 days to conduct an informational hearing on the DOT plan.
Then, the General Assembly would have 15 days to vote to seek federal approval. The tolling plan will be deemed automatically approved if the House and Senate both fail to vote before that deadline expires.
Getting the legislature to authorize the DOT to craft a plan, then, is the same as agreeing to put up tolls.

“We’re just kind of at this point looking to see whether we can get the support to just pass tolls, period,” said Senate President Martin M. Looney, D-New Haven.

The bill, as well as a separate bill proposed by Gov. Ned Lamont, would place tolls on Interstate 84, Interstate 91, and Interstate 95, and the portions of Route 15 comprising the Merritt and Wilbur Cross parkways.

The working assumption is that Democrats will have to find 76 Democratic votes in the House and 19 more in the Senate to authorize a tolling plan because no Republicans are expected to back tolls.

Rep. Vincent J. Candelora, R-North Branford, said he remains unconvinced Democratic leaders can round up the needed votes. If they do, he believes they will avoid a second vote because of the public pressure once people understand how much tolls will cost them.

“It has real implications for people’s wallets,” said Candelora, the second-ranking Republican leader in the House.

Hedging Democrats included the automatic approval route in the Transportation Committee bill to give Democrats political cover, said Sen. Henri Martin, R-Bristol, the ranking Senate Republican member of the Transportation Committee.

“It is a way for them to circumvent a vote so people are protected because their constituents may not like the way they vote,” Martin said.

If the legislature votes to have a tolling plan prepared, Martin said he believes lawmakers should vote affirmatively a second time to submit the plan for final federal approval.

“It may not change anything, but I don’t feel it is right the legislature doesn’t show its stamp of approval, or people are not held accountable for their vote,” he said.

As a toll supporter, Rep. Geraldo Reyes, D-75th District, said he believes the legislature should vote a second time to seek federal approval of a tolling plan.

“I think if we do it any other way it won’t be as transparent as people would like it to be. It would be very controversial,” the Waterbury lawmaker said. “This vote is probably one of the most important votes we have taken since the state income tax, so I think we need to be as transparent as possible.”

DEMOCRATIC LEADERS ARE CONCERNED about defections after successful House and Senate votes to have a tolling plan prepared, or a change in the makeup of the legislature.

House Speaker Joe Aresimowicz, D-Berlin, described the automatic approval provision as a “safety mechanism” in case some legislators who vote to authorize a tolling plan have second thoughts after seeing its layout.

He questioned how the public would react if the DOT spends $10 million to $20 million to prepare a tolling plan, and then the same legislature that authorized its preparation, or a subsequent one votes not to seek federal approval.

Nonetheless, Aresimowicz said he would be open to discussions on the approval procedures.

Looney, D-New Haven, said he had no position on the question of requiring separate votes to authorize a tolling plan and approve its submission to the Federal Highway Administration.

“Obviously, I would want to consult the other leaders on it,” he said.
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“We’re just kind of at this point looking to see whether we can get the support to just pass tolls, period,” said Senate President Martin M. Looney, D-New Haven.
Oh bullshit. The Democrats are trying to figure out a way to get tolls passed without actually having to have to go on record with a vote. They know full well tolls are not popular so they are going to use smoke and mirrors legislative tricks to get it enacted anyway.
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Wow, even for CT dems this seems absolutely reprehensible. setting it up so they can get tolls without actually voting doe it. CT voters won't care because orange man bad. Way to go.

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we should all buy the paint that doesnt let your license plate get photo'd...LOL

not sure if really works, but would be funny, if half the people used it.....FNL

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Wow, even for CT dems this seems absolutely reprehensible. setting it up so they can get tolls without actually voting doe it. CT voters won't care because orange man bad. Way to go.


SB 1160 was pushed through in 2013 under a bullshit claim of "emergency". 

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SB 1160 was pushed through in 2013 under a bullshit claim of "emergency".
So what you're saying is, ignoring the problem again and again and again, and allowing it to eventually culminate in a complete disaster gives them the authority to do whatever they want?
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either way......sb1160 would have passed.....   not enough PRO GUN people cared enough to join the fight...... same as today.......NOBODY fracking CARES except for a small group of people who realize that a day off from work to protest for YOUR RIGHTS is worth it....   
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So what you're saying is, ignoring the problem again and again and again, and allowing it to eventually culminate in a complete disaster gives them the authority to do whatever they want?


What the fvck are you talking about?

I'm saying that they will get their tolls regardless of what anyone wants.  They will do it one way or another: "emergency" or any other bullshit they come up with.

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NOBODY fracking CARES except for a small group of people who realize that a day off from work to protest for YOUR RIGHTS is worth it....   

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They will do it one way or another: "emergency" or any other bullshit they come up with.
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But it will be like teaching a pig to sing, a waste of your time, and you'll only succeed in anoying the pig.