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Author Topic: Lamont's policy groups recommend big changes for first 100 days  (Read 4513 times)

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Re: Lamont's policy groups recommend big changes for first 100 days
« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2019, 09:17:20 PM »
You keep painting these environment killers like rainbows. From what mechanics tell me these are trouble and software to "fix" the vehicles issues? Look how many people use software to fix their computers and then have more  trouble. Now one would need to worry bout hacks, speed control, viruses, stopping, air bags deploying etc. And these home computers are not on the road getting extreme use dirt rain mud hot cold ice wind etc. etc. Ya keeps getting worse.

If you believe the state / government / vehicle makers will allow you to plug in at your house for update / emission / company of vehicle updates.....Highly doubt it. They want control and to do it at their place / facility, just like recharging will be.

Like I said before if it was all rainbows and unicorns the state, cities, towns, and government would of switched their entire fleets plus town and state vehicles for politicians (or other employees who gets state or town vehicles) to electric.

Not sure how they are environment killers any more than current vehicles are? They do it in different ways. I am just stating the facts. You can have your opinion and listen to whomever is giving you their opinion. I am stating facts. The facts are electric cars are coming, like it or not. I have been in the automotive business for 34 years this year. I am privy to what is in the pipeline.

I see the skill set of most technicians is not keeping pace with the changes in the technology of the automobile. We are at a critical point now. There are not enough bodies to fill vacancies in the workshops. let alone skilled techs that can actually fix this stuff. Most are wanting to be "mechanics" and do engines, clutches, brakes timing belts, etc. Those jobs are all going away and you now need to be able to understand basic electrical theory, some basic digital electronics and work a computer. Most techs are none of these and those are the ones I hear complaining about "how these things are pieces of shit, can't be fixed, etc."

I am not in love with having all these electronic systems in the cars but it is not going away. Internal combustion will be gone within 25 years replaced by battery electric and fuel cell vehicles. Hybrids are a stop gap and are being used mainly to prove technology and get data for long term battery usage.

The BEVs are not ready to replace internal combustion just yet. It is getting there but there are some hurdles that need to be overcome before they can really replace a gas or diesel vehicle.

There will be a time when human driving will be a thing of the past. I am guessing within 50 years. Steering wheels and controls will all be eliminated from the cabin. Scary shit. I love driving.

I do believe the government will "allow" you to charge at home. Like I said I forsee them requiring a yearly inspection where the amount of electricity used is transmitted to the state and you pay a tax on that amount. Not far fetched, that data is already in the control units and the manufacturer can access it. We use it for determining battery life and health.

I am sure when the automobile was coming into play the stable owners were thinking "who would want to drive some mechanical piece of shit that runs on a dangerous chemical when you can ride a nice horse". "You just give it some hay and water and it is ready to go." "Those horseless carriages use gasoline. That stuff is a bomb waiting to explode. " . "I will never get one of those hunks of junk".

Farriers figured they would always have work. How many of them are left? Old school mechanics will be out of work if they don't adapt.

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Re: Lamont's policy groups recommend big changes for first 100 days
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2019, 09:04:45 AM »
You can not stop whatever you want to call it whether it's technology, change or progress. We tend to think our time is static and we've done all there is to do and this is it ie the status quo. Change is always happening and at an ever increasing pace. I thought smart phones were a joke when you have a computer, see how brilliant that was!

Charging for electrical charging of a car battery would subject you to paying also on all your other electric usage, I doubt they'll single out car battery charging.
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Re: Lamont's policy groups recommend big changes for first 100 days
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2019, 09:39:51 AM »
You can not stop whatever you want to call it whether it's technology, change or progress. We tend to think our time is static and we've done all there is to do and this is it ie the status quo. Change is always happening and at an ever increasing pace. I thought smart phones were a joke when you have a computer, see how brilliant that was!

Charging for electrical charging of a car battery would subject you to paying also on all your other electric usage, I doubt they'll single out car battery charging.

I can't say I disagree that some "progress" is not wonderful. However things change. Either get with it or fall behind.

If it was up to me I would roll technology back to about 1980.

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Re: Lamont's policy groups recommend big changes for first 100 days
« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2019, 09:57:15 AM »
As long as it is not forced upon people I am interested in electric cars. (Have never driven or seen one up close).

Here is some stuff to suck you down the rabbit hole.  (Don't blame me if you spend a day watching youtube videos)





















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Re: Lamont's policy groups recommend big changes for first 100 days
« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2019, 10:37:30 AM »
Welp, might as well ... usually head down the rabbit hole of gun vids on Youtube most days.
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Re: Lamont's policy groups recommend big changes for first 100 days
« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2019, 11:48:55 AM »
Rewind back to the high cost of power in this state:

CT’s deregulated energy market is certainly a massive problem.  It has not played out the way it was sold to CT residents.  It worked out financially for a select few.  That is for sure.  To be clear, Eversource/CL&P embarked on the path to rape the ratepayer years ago.  CL&P was itching to be “deregulated” so they could dump the financial liability of Millstone and the environmental liability of their fossil plants.  Deregulation was not the demise of a solid utility at all. CL&P mismanaged itself into a corner by taking care of retirees and shareholders instead of ratepayers.  CL&P’s plants were aging, Millstone was not paying off terribly fast, and shareholders wanted money.  So deregulation was the saving grace of poorly run business disguised as a utility.

Utilities should have a monopoly as Edgephoto noted. The electric grid is as important as the military and it should not ride the whims of greedy “investors”.  Years ago CL&P had acres of spare parts to deal with storm damage. Now they don’t. Why? Because CT taxes what you have on hand and the bean counters decide it’s better to run with less overhead.  Power plants are taxed on the spare parts and fuels they have on hand as well.  They, too, have adopted the less overhead concept. So yeah, CT’s taxes carry over to screwing you and I once again.  Sorry for the tax rabbit trail, but a CL&P/HELCO was initially structured to ensure the grid was reliable.  Parts and equipment were replaced as needed and at times before they broke or blew up.  Revenues were setup on the basis of cost plus 10%.  Of course, once they became publicly traded the utility had start earning a profit for investors. It was an asinine plan that never should have been allowed.  Fast forward to where we are today and we have expensive power, old infrastructure, and untold unreliability.  Well that’s my piece on CT’s electricity problem from nearly 15 years of working in that field.  There are quite a few more issues at play that I did not touch on due to time constraints. 

As Edgephoto pointed out, electric cars are here and improving.  That being said, they’re currently a terrible replacement for anything but city commutes.  Of course the state will tax the snot out of them when they see widespread adoption. Furthermore, the drive by wire stuff they’re pushing is going to be a hard sell and is currently extremely unreliable.  Personally, I hate the idea.  Being linked to a charger is worse than being linked to a gas station.  Again, just my opinion. 

As for our situation, it’s bad and only going to get worse.  We are exactly where Sbhaven pointed out earlier.  We are dealing with the death of a democracy.  We long departed the republican format and have wholeheartedly pursued voting ourselves benefits and freebies. 

On that note, vote, be vocal, get involved politically as much as you can stomach, shoot often, buy more guns and ammo, and worst case scenario watch more gun videos like Supes.

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Re: Lamont's policy groups recommend big changes for first 100 days
« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2019, 08:24:38 PM »
I can't say I disagree that some "progress" is not wonderful. However things change. Either get with it or fall behind.

If it was up to me I would roll technology back to about 1980.

Don't misunderstand what I meant. I don't like change and as far as electric cars go while there are some pros I think it is a stupid idea but then look at my thoughts on smart phones!

You can't go anywhere cuz they need to be recharged and there is no infrastructure in place and how long will a recharge take vs filling your gas tank? Electric cars are very fast, full torque the moment you punch the pedal to the medal. No tuneups or oil changes but those batteries will cost a fortune. Emergency workers have to be careful due to high voltage, how's that going to work out in a wreck when time is of the essence? Fuel injection and electronic ignition are so much better and more reliable that carbs, points, condenser and rotor, some progress is good.

All I was aying is you can't stop change or progress even if you think the change is not for the better. Companies will always gravitate to new technology for fear of being left behind or cuz they think consumers will want it.
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Re: Lamont's policy groups recommend big changes for first 100 days
« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2019, 09:47:46 PM »
Electric cars are coming. Regulations are forcing the adoption of them. CAFE requirements, emission standards and carbon emission standards around the world are forcing the end of internal combustion.

If I could show you what is in the pipeline you would see that we are making major strides toward them fitting the needs of more people. They still have a long way to go with a charging network. They have worked out some of the challenges of recharging. Future batteries will be able to recharge to 80% in 15 minutes. So if you have a 250 mile range you can get another 200 miles in 15 minutes. Not as good as gas or diesel but it is getting there. That will give you 3+ hours of driving. By then you will need to stop to take a leak or grab a bite to eat.

First responders need to be trained in the safe handling of these system in the event of accidents. Manufacturers have been doing this already with hybrids. Dealing with the high voltage systems is no more dangerous than a tank full of gasoline. If one of the batteries catches fire you will let it burn out. You can't extinguish it. Firefighters will work to keep the surrounding area from going up in flames vs. putting out the battery fire. However this is as rare as a gasoline explosion in a collision. Just a different kind of danger.

"Drive by wire" was mentioned. We have had drive by wire for 20 years now. Not too many, if any at all, still use a mechanical connection to the throttle. If you mean self driving then I am not a huge fan of that but again, it is coming like it or not. I think it will have it's place. Imagine if I84 was self-drive only. The traffic jams could be minimized because some frack nut is not weaving in and out or trying to cut into a lane at the last second causing a brake stab that cascades back for miles. Old people could live on their own longer if there was a way for them to get to the store, pharmacy or doctor. In rural areas taxis are out of the question. The down side is auto repair costs will continue to escalate.


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Re: Lamont's policy groups recommend big changes for first 100 days
« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2019, 10:22:34 PM »
Electric cars are definitely coming. China and India are just now entering a time where an average person can own a car, and they will be electric. North America may be a bit more stubborn to adopt, but Asia is already all over it and GM wants a piece. And agree totally that the only barriers are battery efficiency and performance. Year over year, battery technology improves greatly.

Tesla is going to make it happen here. GM dropped the Volt. I’ll buy a Tesla just because Elon Musk is a contrarian who deserves to beat GM.

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Re: Lamont's policy groups recommend big changes for first 100 days
« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2019, 10:24:14 PM »
Electric cars are definitely coming. China and India are just now entering a time where an average person can own a car, and they will be electric. North America may be a bit more stubborn to adopt, but Asia is already all over it and GM wants a piece. And agree totally that the only barriers are battery efficiency and performance. Year over year, battery technology improves greatly.

Tesla is going to make it happen here. GM dropped the Volt. I’ll buy a Tesla just because Elon Musk is a contrarian who deserves to beat GM.

Now about personal-sized railguns...

I think Elon Musk is a total POS. I think Tesla will not survive the coming electric car frenzy. Most likely a real car company will buy them for the infrastructure.