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Re: Stag Arms other
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2018, 07:50:14 AM »
You're welcome.

There's nothing that I've seen that says the take down pins need to be fixed in place.  In fact a buddy has one of the Frontier others which does not have the pin fixed in place.  As long as the overall length is above 26" (unless it's a registered AOW) and the barrel is >12" to exclude it as a pistol under CT law, you should be good to go.  Legally the lower receiver is still considered as only a firearm or "other" regardless of the upper being attached or not.  Only once you go out of a certain set of parameters would the classification be changed to a pistol, rifle, or NFA controlled AOW / SBR.

The pins were able to be removed and replaced and they function normally on both firearms now.  The Troy and Stag both use standard front pins that have the detent hole drilled a bit deeper, and once they are out can be replaced with and any unmodified standard front pin.  The .308 Stag uses proprietary pins which can be ordered from them but I was too lazy to do that so I just filled in the detent hole with JB weld and made it work.  Sometimes the pins come out with little fuss, and sometimes a little more work is needed.  I believe Steevo mentioned in a thread that he could just tap out the pin on a Troy he owns, and around 20 minutes of careful Dremel work was needed to take care of the pin on mine.

Unfortunately I can't speak of accuracy with the Stag.  I put exactly 11rds through the factory 16" barrel before I pulled it and installed the BA 12.5", but Stag barrels are generally quite accurate from what I've read and seen from others.

Really you can't go wrong with either and Stag does have the home team advantage also.  8)
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Re: Stag Arms other
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2018, 12:39:39 PM »
I would also like to know if it was possible to remove the front take down pin. I did see that you were able to get it out but there was some damage you had to fill in? Is this something you think would happen every time? I called hoffmans and they said I couldnt get a 16 in barrel on it but I'm pretty sure you can order them from them w 16 in
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Re: Stag Arms other
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2018, 12:51:05 PM »
i have:
2 troy "others"  both pins came out with no fuss or milling/drilling.  again, some have damaged or cracked their lower tapping pin loose. some shops mill it out to avoid this. they can be removed of your careful.

1 new frontier 9mm glock other and front pin came right out.

Jojos has a bunch of troys and stags on the wall in many different cerakote options. they may be able to get you an other with a 16" barrel or maybe the gun store llc can get you a troy in 16" ( i know they had 14.5")

or you can always re-barrel it yourself and put a quality barrel on it.
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Re: Stag Arms other
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2018, 11:54:27 PM »
[Do you think I'll have the same issue as you had w the stag and having to use jb weld? Im trying to figure out if I should go troy or stag now. Iwas set on stag cuz I thought the upper came off like the pof other. Thisucks I gotta figure a way to unpin it safely w o damage      quote author=Kerensky link=topic=52625.msg417501#msg417501 date=1543755014]
You're welcome.

There's nothing that I've seen that says the take down pins need to be fixed in place.  In fact a buddy has one of the Frontier others which does not have the pin fixed in place.  As long as the overall length is above 26" (unless it's a registered AOW) and the barrel is >12" to exclude it as a pistol under CT law, you should be good to go.  Legally the lower receiver is still considered as only a firearm or "other" regardless of the upper being attached or not.  Only once you go out of a certain set of parameters would the classification be changed to a pistol, rifle, or NFA controlled AOW / SBR.

The pins were able to be removed and replaced and they function normally on both firearms now.  The Troy and Stag both use standard front pins that have the detent hole drilled a bit deeper, and once they are out can be replaced with and any unmodified standard front pin.  The .308 Stag uses proprietary pins which can be ordered from them but I was too lazy to do that so I just filled in the detent hole with JB weld and made it work.  Sometimes the pins come out with little fuss, and sometimes a little more work is needed.  I believe Steevo mentioned in a thread that he could just tap out the pin on a Troy he owns, and around 20 minutes of careful Dremel work was needed to take care of the pin on mine.

Unfortunately I can't speak of accuracy with the Stag.  I put exactly 11rds through the factory 16" barrel before I pulled it and installed the BA 12.5", but Stag barrels are generally quite accurate from what I've read and seen from others.

Really you can't go wrong with either and Stag does have the home team advantage also.  8)
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Re: Stag Arms other
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2018, 11:58:19 PM »
jb weld does not belong anywhere near a firearm .....i would never put my safety or anyone elses around me by using jb weld on a rifle, critical area or not.  buy the correct pin....
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Re: Stag Arms other
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2018, 01:50:36 PM »
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jb weld does not belong anywhere near a firearm .....i would never put my safety or anyone elses around me by using jb weld on a rifle, critical area or not.  buy the correct pin....

While I would tend to agree with you,  I'm not exactly sure how putting a miniscule amount of JB Weld in the overdrilled 3/32" hole in the pin would ever even remotely put the safety of anything or anyone at risk.  Quite literally the only force imparted on the filled in area is that of the detent spring pushing the detent.  One might argue that the hole being over drilled may have weakened the structural integrity of the pin, thereby posing an even greater safety risk to the user or those around than that of it being filled in with an epoxy.

I very much respect your opinion, but in my particular case I feel the use to be a non-issue. That said, I second the motion that anyone else who may encounter a similar situation buy a brand new undrilled pin.

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Re: Stag Arms other
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2018, 02:28:44 PM »
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While I would tend to agree with you,  I'm not exactly sure how putting a miniscule amount of JB Weld in the overdrilled 3/32" hole in the pin would ever even remotely put the safety of anything or anyone at risk.  Quite literally the only force imparted on the filled in area is that of the detent spring pushing the detent.  One might argue that the hole being over drilled may have weakened the structural integrity of the pin, thereby posing an even greater safety risk to the user or those around than that of it being filled in with an epoxy.

I very much respect your opinion, but in my particular case I feel the use to be a non-issue. That said, I second the motion that anyone else who may encounter a similar situation buy a brand new undrilled pin.

i thought you meant you cracked it and fixed the crack with jb weld.....  my bad.....
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Re: Stag Arms other
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2018, 06:38:51 PM »
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i thought you meant you cracked it and fixed the crack with jb weld.....  my bad.....

No worries!

Here's a buddy from work putting a few downrange on the Stag's maiden trip after finishing the build.










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Re: Stag Arms other
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2018, 10:57:44 AM »
I hate to sound like an ass but how are these legal with the brace... How is this any different than a banned AR... I'm interested in one but this state makes law abiding citizens walk on egg shells.

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Re: Stag Arms other
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2018, 11:17:42 AM »
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I hate to sound like an ass but how are these legal with the brace... How is this any different than a banned AR... I'm interested in one but this state makes law abiding citizens walk on egg shells.

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The are not rifles, they are not handguns, and they are not shotguns. They are in a similar or the same legal category as the mossberg shockwave.

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Re: Stag Arms other
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2018, 11:48:44 AM »
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I hate to sound like an ass but how are these legal with the brace... How is this any different than a banned AR... I'm interested in one but this state makes law abiding citizens walk on egg shells.

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Larry

What he said, or search the multi numerous threads on it.  ;D

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