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Author Topic: Nov 1-2, 2018: Larry Vickers Home Defense, Deptford, NJ.  (Read 669 times)

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Nov 1-2, 2018: Larry Vickers Home Defense, Deptford, NJ.
« on: September 12, 2018, 09:08:40 AM »

Yup, it's NJ.  Don't let that discourage you from training.

A limited number of loaner firearms (Glocks and M4's) are available if you don't want to bring your own blasters.

$575 / 600 rounds.  Estimated round count is conservative.  No need for frang ammo.  Standard ball ammo is fine.

My understanding is that students will be flowing through the shoot house one at a time. If you're not watching, there will be an adjacent flat range to work on fundamentals.

This is one of Larry's most interesting classes - it's more tactics than shooting and is mentally challenging and makes you think.  Bring a notebook.  Plan on watching other students flow through the house.

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Larry Vickers 2 day Home Defense Course Deptford, NJ November 1-2, 2018

This unique Vickers Home Defense course encompasses 2 intensive days of training for law enforcement and intermediate to advanced students.  2 day will be spent learning CQB (Close Quarters Battle)) at a shoot house. 

WEAPON AND EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS

Weapon & Gear Requirements:

Handgun:

- Serviceable handgun of at least 9mm Para caliber

- Serviceable holster - Please note

***No Serpa or Serpa style holsters unless it is issued to you by your agency/unit and no AWIB carry****

- Minimum of three serviceable magazines

- Pouch(es) to properly carry at least two spare pistol magazines

MISC:

- Body armor and ballistic head protection optional but advisable

- Eye and ear protection (electronic hearing protection is highly recommended)

- Weapon cleaning & lubrication supplies

- Suitable range wear depending on the season

- Good attitude

Ammo Requirements:

- 600 rounds of handgun ammunition.  Standard ball ammo is ok
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Re: Nov 1-2, 2018: Larry Vickers Home Defense, Deptford, NJ.
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2018, 09:11:37 AM »
Here's an AAR that I posted on another forum a while ago.  This was a one day class at King33 (RIP) using sim guns.

The class in NJ is 2 days with live fire.

You have the keys to the kingdom in this post - but ain't gonna do you much good until you physically put yourself into a structure under some stress with a live blaster.

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AAR: Vickers Tactical One Day Home Defense (8/25/13, Southington, CT)
August 25, 2013
King33 Training Center
Southington, CT
(Note: as of 10/1/17, King33 is no longer in business).

LEARNING POINTS

Home Defense and the one-person clear are probably one of the most difficult and dangerous of undertakings to attempt.  You’re on your own – you don’t have extra eyeballs and guns to help you solve your problem, and the responsibility falls on your shoulders to protect your family.

I’ve been fortunate to have attended some basic “CQB” style classes with Larry Vickers and Ken Hackathorn (the totally awesome and never to be replicated Low Light I and Low Light II classes in OH, and Home Defense at Blackwater) and train alongside some very switched on shooters.  These were all live fire classes  and required a high level of surgical shooting skills, ironclad weapons handling, a minimum of three days time commitment, travel to a live fire shoot house, and substantial investment in gear (for example, body armor).

The majority of live fire shoot houses in the US are controlled by government agencies and just aren't accessible to civilians.  And not everybody can afford to kit up and drive to Blackwater for a 3 day class.  Yet, the need for good home defense training is universal.  Cops and HSLD operators have homes and loved ones to defend too, and they may one day need to draw upon one-person clearing skills.

Recently we were fortunate to have Larry Vickers introduce a dozen shooters with varying shooting backgrounds to basic home defense tactics at the King33 Training Center in Southington, CT.  The training took place in a furnished simunitions shoot house which affords a lot of flexibility for those who are seeking instruction.  Safe weapons handling is still a pre-requisite (sims rounds can punch through cardboard IPSC targets, leave a welt on your skin, and take out an eye), but sims don’t require some of the safequards associated with live fire shoot houses such as expensive bullet traps and body armor.  Another advantage that sims affords is that for Force on Target (FoT) exercises, the only required safety equipment is eyepro.  So, from a risk/reward perspective, sims are much more forgiving than live fire in a training environment, especially for beginners.  Sim rounds aren’t that loud (the noise level is below OSHA safe thresholds) so you can train any time of the day, which comes in handy for low light or night-fire training.

As a civilian, I find it difficult to describe how Larry teaches his home defense classes (much of this is internalized by listening and then doing), so bear with me as I struggle with this (and I apologize for any screwups or misconceptions on my part).  One-shooter clears are, in my opinion, a totally different animal from more dynamic team CQB clears.  In fact, charging into a room in dynamic mode (using surprise, speed and violence of action to flood and dominate the room with you, yourself, and you) could get you killed.  I can still vividly hear Ken Hackathorn telling me that I “just committed suicide” after doing just that.  You have only two eyes , one brain and one gun to scan, process, and clear every sector you encounter.  You have to take it slower and more deliberately.

To give a rough idea what it takes to do a solo clear, I would like to draw on an analogy that JD Potynsky coined.  The beginning pistol shooter has to juggle several different fundamentals simultaneously – stance, grip, sight alignment/sight picture, trigger control, and follow-through.  It’s like throwing a bunch of ping pong balls at one person and expecting that person to catch all the balls at once.  With that said, there are a metric shit-ton of ping pong balls that students of the one-shooter clear have to not only grasp, but play mental chess with.  This is not something you can really learn by reading about it.  You have to train your mind and body and get good feedback from somebody who has done it for a living.

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Re: Nov 1-2, 2018: Larry Vickers Home Defense, Deptford, NJ.
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2018, 09:12:04 AM »
According to Ken Hackathorn and Larry Vickers, the ping-pong balls being thrown at you all at once are:

-Use doors and walls and other structures as barricades for concealment

-Learn to cut the pie

-Pie the unknown area closest to you first.

-Use distance to your advantage when you pie.

-Recognize and clear dead space within a room.

-Don’t telegraph your presence with your gun or other body part.  Your pistol should be in a coiled high ready position.

-Never linger in hallways or open doorways or in front of windows

-It’s generally not a good idea to stand in the middle of a room.  Pick a wall or corner to finish your clear.

-When coming out of a room and into a hallway, be sure to re-check the area you just came from before entering that room.

-It’s not only okay to peek, but it may be necessary to peek around a sharp corner to locate and identify a threat.  Just make it quick.

-Discriminate your target and be absolutely sure it is a shoot or no-shoot.  Always check both hands.  Always check both hands.  Did I mention that you should always check both hands?

-Your gun is your third eye.  Your body's natural point of aim should be aligned with your eyes while clearing.

-Not every room has to be entered - if it can be cleared from the outside and there is no dead space, move on.

-Don't pay for the same cleared real estate twice.  Move on.

-A variation of the above: don't be a turtle and pull your head into your shell after engaging a threat.  Follow through.  You own the threat, close on it to ensure it is in fact neutralized.

-Don’t tunnel on a threat you just neutralized – move on.   Be cognizant of emerging and simultaneous threats as you clear, especially as you approach an open door or are in a hallway.

-Breathe.  Scan and breathe.

-Strive for smoothness in your overall clearing technique.  Don't be jerky in your movement.

-Don’t outrun your headlights.  You’re in a hurry, but a careful hurry.

-There are times when speed is security.

-When in a hallway and approaching an open doorway, pie as tight as possible to the wall if there are other open doors nearby.

-When appropriate, don’t hesitate to be verbal.  If you spot an unknown, call that unknown out and get that unknown to comply (“hands up, get on the ground" etc.)

-Rear security.  Haha.  That's all I gotta say.

-Due to time constraints, surgical precision shooting wasn’t a focus of this class.  But, train to get your hits.  Accuracy can decline by 50% when under stress and multitasking.  Train to be excellent now so that you can at least be average in the real world.

-Not from Ken or Larry but an observation from me: Practice landmarking the vital zones on threats.  Real-world threats will not have bullseyes attached to them.  If you have a cardboard IPSC target, mark off the top half of the A zone on the body.  Put a shirt over it.  Strive to get your hits in the marked off area.

-You know the layout of your home the best.  Practice clearing your home (when nobody is home with a blue gun or empty hands).  Take advantage of that knowledge to clear your home.

-Have a plan before something bad happens.  Will you try to make it to your kids room first, barricade yourself there and call the cops?  Do you have a plan to evacuate if some home invader intends to burn your house down?

-Know the laws concerning the use of physical and deadly force in your jurisdiction.

-Understand that some clearing situations will just suck (“no getting around it, this is just a bad place to be”) and you’ll just have to work it out.  Make no mistake, this can be dangerous.
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Re: Nov 1-2, 2018: Larry Vickers Home Defense, Deptford, NJ.
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2018, 09:12:27 AM »
THE CLASS - 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 pm

The class format was fairly straightforward.  The first few hours were spent on flowing each of the students individually through the shoot house with no guns.  There were three subsequent sims FoT exercises that brought students through clearing exercises starting in different locations in the house, with switched up threat and no-shoot scenarios.   Larry threw in a few mind ****s to keep the students on their toes, and flush out the gaming element.

Students were limited to handguns in the first two sims scenarios, and were given the option to use a carbine in the final exercise.

As you can guess, due to the subject matter and the individual attention each student was getting from Larry, this was not a shooting class so much as it was  a tactics class.  The round count for each of the dozen students was about 50 rounds.  Not surprisingly, the accuracy was challenging for folks who have not previously trained with Larry, and even for those who have, a few were overcome by the complexity of the situation and accuracy suffered as a result of shooters being amped up.  It was clear in the beginning that everybody was drinking from a fire hose.  One interesting thing I noticed: the majority of shots were low on the target.  That speaks to a failure by shooters to properly landmark the vital zones on threats.  Usually, LAV's home defense classes will have bullseye targets pasted on the threats.  We did not have the benefit of those visual aids (or even a shooting warmup) in this class.

The individual feedback that Larry gave was priceless.  Many of the students were making the same mistakes - so it was beneficial for me as a spectator to hear Larry (very patiently) repeat how to properly address a situation. I would strongly advise anyone who wants to take a home defense or CQB class with Larry to spend some time on the cat walk (or a video monitor) watching other students flow. It is as much as part of the learning experience as actually running the house yourself.

Larry crammed a LOT of material into one day, but I think the class went very well, considering that runs got progressively better for everyone.  I'd note that Larry looked like he was enjoying himself - this is a subject matter he is passionate about, in my opinion.

Comparing this with prior classes I've attended (keeping in mind this was a one-day class), I'd say this one was somewhat more complex.  The furnishings in the King33 shoot house provided extra dead space to process (OVT and Blackwater/Xe/Academi had rooms that were mostly empty).  That meant more time clearing rooms.  Larry walked into this shoot house cold and proceeded to do his thing - I don't think he got a chance to preview the structure to set up the class.

At the end of the day, students got a good hands-on appreciation of what it takes to clear a home solo in a non-lethal 360 degree environment and took away some basic skills to apply in their own homes.
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Re: Nov 1-2, 2018: Larry Vickers Home Defense, Deptford, NJ.
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2018, 09:14:42 AM »
Larry going over the flow:















First round - problem solve without the gun.





Scenario 1.

First entry with the sims gun.








Scenario 2.

Larry walks a student through a particularly treacherous structure.

A fatal funnel with multiple doors on each side close to each other.








Hallways, windows, and doors, oh my.















An example of good shot placement.  Sims guns aren't that bad at short range.




managing the fatal funnel



not a good idea to stand in the middle of a room; hug a wall or corner.









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Re: Nov 1-2, 2018: Larry Vickers Home Defense, Deptford, NJ.
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2018, 09:15:33 AM »
Scenario 3

"Bump in the night."

Students are led blindfolded into a room, and told to have a seat.  First thing they see when they open their eyes is me taking a photo.

LAV explains the problem: You're in bed, something just went bump in the night.

Solve the problem.

I'm posting some of these to note the look of momentary disorientation on these students' faces.
















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Re: Nov 1-2, 2018: Larry Vickers Home Defense, Deptford, NJ.
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2018, 09:23:48 AM »
Thought I'd throw this in here in case anyone wants to go.

I'm not hosting this one. 

It's worth your time to attend.
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Re: Nov 1-2, 2018: Larry Vickers Home Defense, Deptford, NJ.
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Thought I'd throw this in here in case anyone wants to go.

I'm not hosting this one. 

It's worth your time to attend.

Class looks interesting and reasonably priced.  However, not sure of logistics/legal issues surrounding transport/possession of handgun in NJ.  Definitely not a 2A friendly state!!  If you are not LE how do you bring handgun to NJ if you are a CT permit holder without violating NJ laws?  Anyone from CT taken a handgun class in NJ and care to share how they worked out handgun logistics?

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Re: Nov 1-2, 2018: Larry Vickers Home Defense, Deptford, NJ.
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2018, 10:57:07 AM »
I wouldn't try to do anything in NJ as a civilian.

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Re: Nov 1-2, 2018: Larry Vickers Home Defense, Deptford, NJ.
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2018, 12:17:04 PM »
Unclear about handguns in NJ - going through per FOPA you are ok.

Stopping in?  Not so sure.

The range is right across the river from PA.  If I go I will be shacking up in PA for the evening to reduce the risk.

Anyways, LOANERS ARE AVAILABLE.

Just bring ammo, eyepro and earpro sombody will be glad to loan you a Glock or M4 to flow the house.

This is a tactics class - not so much shooting. 
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Re: Nov 1-2, 2018: Larry Vickers Home Defense, Deptford, NJ.
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2018, 09:26:29 AM »
Thanks for posting this. LAV is the real deal and I always appreciate a thoughtful AAR.