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Author Topic: Finance Committee Passes Tolls By 1 Vote; Malloy Celebrates  (Read 1521 times)

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Re: Finance Committee Passes Tolls By 1 Vote; Malloy Celebrates
« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2018, 04:01:31 PM »
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The problem no one in the Statehouse seems willing to address is how many more people will jump ship citing tolls as the last straw. The toll system itself will make money. A lot. How much of that revenue gets offset by income and sales tax declines is yet to be seen.
It is not just people jumping ship and bailing on this state. There is already a net outflow of people and has been for many years. There is the hidden cost of Tolls that the legislature isn't and never will talk about. The cost of consumer items going up as businesses pass on the tolls they (or their employees incur) onto the consumer/customer. The effect of tolls don't just happen in a vacuum.

We are now getting it from both ends. First we get taxed when we put fuel into the car. Then get taxed driving that car on the highway.
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Re: Finance Committee Passes Tolls By 1 Vote; Malloy Celebrates
« Reply #45 on: April 13, 2018, 04:35:47 PM »
The real benefit to this type of toll collection technology is license plate tracking.

As was stated earlier data mining companies will either operate the tolls or somehow be connected to the data these systems collect on driving habits.

I disagree that this will ever actual make the state any more money. We will lose the federal highway funds, we will pay a commission to the company operating it, we will pay for installation, maintenance and repairs and we will be paying a whole new government agency to operate the system and process the payments. Add to this the pensions for all the employees of the toll authority and the cronies appointed to it's board. The state will do smoke and mirror accounting tricks to make it look like the system is profitable.

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Re: Finance Committee Passes Tolls By 1 Vote; Malloy Celebrates
« Reply #46 on: April 13, 2018, 05:09:46 PM »
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The real benefit to this type of toll collection technology is license plate tracking.

As was stated earlier data mining companies will either operate the tolls or somehow be connected to the data these systems collect on driving habits.

I disagree that this will ever actually make the state any more money. We will lose the federal highway funds, we will pay a commission to the company operating it, we will pay for installation, maintenance and repairs and we will be paying a whole new government agency to operate the system and process the payments. Add to this the pensions for all the employees of the toll authority and the cronies appointed to it's board. The state will do smoke and mirror accounting tricks to make it look like the system is profitable.

For reference, the North Carolina Turnpike Authority has something like 12 employees. CT will likely double or triple that. The Board of Directors is another 8-10. That is pretty standard. Even if every one of those people made $150k, it would be peanuts compared to the revenue the toll will generate.

Also, CT will likely operate the road. I haven't heard anything about a public-private partnership. The people they pay will be paid to maintain equipment and run the back-office to process transactions and toll collection (image review, invoice printing and mailing, etc.). Again for reference, NJ spent $500m to collect $1.7b in 2016. And that includes toll booths and unionized toll collectors.

I don't have a great handle on the federal funding issue, but my basic understanding is that if CT uses time-of-day pricing and sells it as congestion management, they will not lose all of the federal money.
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Re: Finance Committee Passes Tolls By 1 Vote; Malloy Celebrates
« Reply #47 on: April 13, 2018, 06:36:51 PM »
Tolls will generate nothing and be in the minus when everything is said n done. The initial cost by itself building these things - lets not forget we don't have the money, paying the people who man them - union workers, paying the people on the state level to run them, paying the EMS to be there, paying the tow trucks to be there, paying the cops to be there, paying for the maintenance and up keep for the places, etc etc. Connecticut is not NJ we don't have lots of highways and tons of shipping being done there going West. Lets stop comparing apples to oranges and focus here at home and what it will do to Connecticut. And how much of the 500M to 1.7B went back into the roads? Their roads suck last time I went through there. We're not NJ.
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Re: Finance Committee Passes Tolls By 1 Vote; Malloy Celebrates
« Reply #48 on: April 13, 2018, 07:08:19 PM »
All the new tolls I've seen look no more involved to build than your average road-bridging highway sign. They aren't manned, there is no EMS there, no tow trucks, no cops. If you aren't paying attention, you won't even notice them as you sail right by. The ones Rhode Island put up on i95 just over the state line have virtually no associated real estate at all. In theory, the entire operation could be 100% automated with no human employees at all. Will it? Probably not, government can't do anything without fracking it up, and lest this should be considered a post of support for the idea let me clarify that I think it's only the latest in a long line of stupid ideas that will absolutely still manage to blow up in CT's face despite it's potential.
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Re: Finance Committee Passes Tolls By 1 Vote; Malloy Celebrates
« Reply #49 on: April 14, 2018, 06:50:19 AM »
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....paying the people who man them - union workers, paying the people on the state level to run them, paying the EMS to be there, paying the tow trucks to be there, paying the cops to be there, paying for the maintenance and up keep for the places, etc etc.
They would use electronic tolling not manned booths like they did in the old days. What they plan to use is something like this:



If one didn't have one of the supported electronic "tags" (like EZ-Pass), the system would then snail mail them a bill with the toll to be paid. If they don't pay it then one gets hit with a $100 fine.

Expect additional "revenue" to be generated by assessing speeding fines for those who drive at excessive speed between each of the toll locations.

The cost would be in building them, then maintaining them, along with the cost (to the private entity) to run the entire system and collect fees.
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Re: Finance Committee Passes Tolls By 1 Vote; Malloy Celebrates
« Reply #50 on: April 14, 2018, 02:14:50 PM »
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It is not just people jumping ship and bailing on this state. There is already a net outflow of people and has been for many years. There is the hidden cost of Tolls that the legislature isn't and never will talk about. The cost of consumer items going up as businesses pass on the tolls they (or their employees incur) onto the consumer/customer. The effect of tolls don't just happen in a vacuum.

We are now getting it from both ends. First we get taxed when we put fuel into the car. Then get taxed driving that car on the highway.

This is one that I missed.
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Re: Finance Committee Passes Tolls By 1 Vote; Malloy Celebrates
« Reply #51 on: April 14, 2018, 02:29:27 PM »
I see the gantry style tolls yet this is no way of a fix. 50 cents per vehicle per toll? This is huge hit for the People in Connecticut. When will it hit $1.00 per toll? What is the tax on gas for? What's the vehicle tax we pay twice a year for? Let slone he wants to jack up the gas tax more in Connecticut. Enough is enough. This must not pass.

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Re: Finance Committee Passes Tolls By 1 Vote; Malloy Celebrates
« Reply #52 on: April 14, 2018, 03:40:32 PM »
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I see the gantry style tolls yet this is no way of a fix. 50 cents per vehicle per toll? This is huge hit for the People in Connecticut. When will it hit $1.00 per toll? What is the tax on gas for? What's the vehicle tax we pay twice a year for? Let slone he wants to jack up the gas tax more in Connecticut. Enough is enough. This must not pass.

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Agreed. Tolls are a bad idea because no amount of revenue will ever be enough for the Democrats in CT. The first step toward recovery has to be spending less.

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Re: Finance Committee Passes Tolls By 1 Vote; Malloy Celebrates
« Reply #53 on: April 14, 2018, 05:05:04 PM »
I would argue that the first step toward recovery has to be firing the bastards who have made a career of ruining us, but apparently there's still a majority in CT who are gluttons for punishment.
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