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Author Topic: Mass shooting Las Vegas, over 50 dead, 100 injured  (Read 29329 times)

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Re: Mass shooting Las Vegas, over 50 dead, 100 injured
« Reply #429 on: April 14, 2018, 05:08:23 PM »
I'm a few pages in. Any idea how many more I have to go before it says anything?
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But it will be like teaching a pig to sing, a waste of your time, and you'll only succeed in anoying the pig.

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Re: Mass shooting Las Vegas, over 50 dead, 100 injured
« Reply #430 on: April 15, 2018, 07:29:02 AM »
sdslaw.us FOIA to ATF about bumpstocks and Mandalay Bay
Most of the volumes are various letters of samples submitted to ATF to determine if device is a machine gun.

volume 1
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pg 12-17 memos between ATF to discuss talking points to media about what is a machine gun, what is bumpstock, and list of Paddock's firearms
volume 3
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From volume 4, the following are determined to be machine guns:
pg 10, HistoricArms ASFS stock
pg 59, ShoeString
pg 64, AutoGlove
pg 72, Electrically driven trigger device

Determined "is not a machine gun": Bumpstock
1 specific example, pg 27 "Bump fire type stock"

Throughout the volumes FTB finds that a bumpstock it is not a machine gun.
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Re: Mass shooting Las Vegas, over 50 dead, 100 injured
« Reply #431 on: April 15, 2018, 08:12:18 AM »
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....

From volume 4, the following are determined to be machine guns:
....
pg 59, ShoeString
....

Throughout the volumes FTB finds that a bumpstock it is not a machine gun.


ShoeString?  Is that a brand name for something or an actual shoestring?  If a shoestring is is related to bump fire like a belt loop?

What is FTB?


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Re: Mass shooting Las Vegas, over 50 dead, 100 injured
« Reply #432 on: April 15, 2018, 09:02:40 AM »
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ShoeString?  Is that a brand name for something or an actual shoestring?  If a shoestring is is related to bump fire like a belt loop?

What is FTB?

ShoeString -- yes, an actual shoestring, pg 59-60   A 14" shoestring with a loop at each end.
"The string was attached to the cocking handle of a semiautomatic rifle and was looped around the trigger and attached to the shooter's finger.  The device caused the weapon to fire repeatedly until the finger pressure was released from the string....FTB determined that it was a machinegun as defined in 26 U.S.C 5845 (b). "





FTB--pg 26 Firearms Technology Branch, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)
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Re: Mass shooting Las Vegas, over 50 dead, 100 injured
« Reply #433 on: May 04, 2018, 10:14:24 AM »
Bodycam footage released from Las Vegas Police

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Coverage from ABC News:
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Re: Mass shooting Las Vegas, over 50 dead, 100 injured
« Reply #434 on: June 02, 2018, 12:21:20 PM »
Additional body cam vids of police in the murderer's hotel room at the link.

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Re: Mass shooting Las Vegas, over 50 dead, 100 injured
« Reply #435 on: July 12, 2018, 03:12:45 PM »
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Las Vegas Shooting Rooftop Security Video With Audio (WARNING GRAPHIC)

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Re: Mass shooting Las Vegas, over 50 dead, 100 injured
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Additional body cam vids of police in the murderer's hotel room at the link.

Do they include the ND?

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Re: Mass shooting Las Vegas, over 50 dead, 100 injured
« Reply #437 on: July 12, 2018, 03:49:36 PM »
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Do they include the ND?
Don't know.
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