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CT State Police - missing DPS3 Burden Gun Owners!
« on: October 12, 2009, 09:54:58 PM »

ctsas.infoAction Letters: coming from State Police! I got mine today - hundreds of letters went out to CT pistol permit holders who had sold handguns to various dealers and are being asked to resubmit the DPS-3 transfer forms. Mine was for a handgun I sold over FIVE years ago to a CT gun dealer! I got my DPS-3 form and will mail to SLFU. Failure to comply by Oct. 22 results in SUSPENSION from transactions!

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Re: CT State Police - missing DPS3 Burden Gun Owners!
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2009, 10:29:55 PM »
I couldn't find mine in 10 years let alone in les that thirty days. I don't think I kept them other than the last two I bought. I can't recall any law that says owners and purchasers are required to keep records of firearms purchases! This is BS. It's their responsibility to maintain the records not ours!

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Re: CT State Police - missing DPS3 Burden Gun Owners!
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2009, 10:50:13 PM »
As an buyer, I don't think you are required to keep them, however, as a seller, you are supposed to keep them for 20 years.

"The DPS-67-C is to be retained by the seller for 20 years."

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Re: CT State Police - missing DPS3 Burden Gun Owners!
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2009, 08:08:08 AM »
You would think that when you sell a gun to a GUNSTORE, that you would be covered. Private sale I could see keeping the paperwork. Gunstore sale, I would think that the burden would be on the business to make sure that the paperwork is filed, after all they deal with this paperwork on a daily basis.

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Re: CT State Police - missing DPS3 Burden Gun Owners!
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2009, 09:37:52 AM »
For those affected (or just interested in following the situation) you might want to read and follow this thread:

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Re: CT State Police - missing DPS3 Burden Gun Owners!
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2009, 10:52:37 AM »
At tonight's CCDL meeting we have a lot of important CCDL business to discuss, but I can guarantee that we will be discussing this subject. Ed Peruta is going to DPS today and will have some sort of answer for us at the meeting.

It might not be the final answer but we will at least hear why..I hope!!!

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Re: CT State Police - missing DPS3 Burden Gun Owners!
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2009, 01:13:24 PM »
Crikey, I got one over the weekend and damn near pooped my pants!  This was over two pistols I sold to a DEALER a while ago.

Well, no biggie ... Good thing I'm anal about saving my forms.

Took a trip to the Xerox machines, and a trip to the post office.  I chose to send the copies certified mail with return receipt.

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Re: CT State Police - missing DPS3 Burden Gun Owners!
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2009, 06:56:29 AM »
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As an buyer, I don't think you are required to keep them, however, as a seller, you are supposed to keep them for 20 years.

"The DPS-67-C is to be retained by the seller for 20 years."

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No. Wrong form.

They are referencing the DPSC-3 which is five years.
The DPS-67-C is the questionairre. The DPSC-3 is the short form that looks like a DMV Bill of Sale that has the gun buyer/seller name address, permit #, signatures and the de facto REGISTRATION info on the gun. It's the short form you keep a copy of when you buy or sell a handgun and a copy goes to the seller, the buyer, the state police and the town police of the town where the buyer resides.

The law on that is FIVE years.

In any event:

the letters that went out had the authorization number that was provided by the State for the transaction, the date of the transaction and the name of the dealer.
But, the State is saying they have no DPSC-3 form to match up with that sale authorization. This appears to be affecting citizens who sold handguns to FFL dealers.
After discussion last night at the CCDL meeting, initial conversations with State Police revealed it was a mistake and that those letters were intended to go to dealers and not the permit holding public. In my case, the gun in question I sold to New England Outfitters was more than five years ago. In other cases, I've heard even TEN years ago! I went to New England Field & Stream (took over from NE Outfitters) they provided me again with the DPSC3 that I had from over five years ago (by law you are only required to keep it for five years anyway) and resent it to State Police yesterday by fax and called them to ensure they received it which they did. (I didn't want to take any chances on having my permit # SUSPENDED from being able to obtain authorization #s for transfers. I can tell you that Bob Crook is aware of it, as is NRA. I faxed NRA my letter and got a call back from an NRA attorney in minutes! They're checking into it. Chances are this whole debacle is a mistake on the State's part but the larger question is WHY they want "de facto" registration forms? It is illegal under Federal law to maintain those records beyond 60-days. The State Police has the duty to perform the NICS background check and Authorize the transfer, but NOT to maintain a de facto registry of everyone's guns. More to come soon I'm sure!
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Re: CT State Police - missing DPS3 Burden Gun Owners!
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2009, 06:57:27 AM »
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Re: CT State Police - missing DPS3 Burden Gun Owners!
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2009, 08:01:38 AM »
Just to highlight the REAL ISSUE here in case anyone missed it.

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...the larger question is WHY they want "de facto" registration forms?
It is illegal under Federal law to maintain those records beyond 60-days.

The State Police has the duty to perform the NICS background check and Authorize the transfer, but NOT to maintain a de facto registry of everyone's guns.

More to come soon I'm sure!
« Last Edit: October 14, 2009, 08:02:17 AM by Douglas_in_CT »
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