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Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2012, 09:39:21 PM »
The stockless Tantal is a rifle, with a rifle length barrel, and an overall length of 28in. 
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Re: Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2012, 09:56:18 PM »
Quote from: MadSmith on February 18, 2012, 09:39:21 PM
The stockless Tantal is a rifle, with a rifle length barrel, and an overall length of 28in.

And the ARbortion would have a rifle length barrel, according to CT law defintions that is, and a legal OAL.

Pretty much falling into place like a mossberg 500 with a pistol grip. Granted its a pump.

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Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2012, 10:02:08 PM »
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-short-barreled-rifles-shotguns.html#part-registered

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Q: What is the registered part of a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR) or Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)?

    While a receiver alone may be classified as a “firearm” under the Gun Control Act (GCA), SBRs and SBSs are classified in totality under the National Firearms Act (NFA). A firearm that meets the definition of a SBR consists of a rifle that has a barrel less than 16 inches in length. A SBS consists of a shotgun that has a barrel less than 18 inches in length. The serialized receiver is recorded for registration in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record (NFRTR).

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Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2012, 10:43:52 PM »
But a rifle is designed to be fired frim the shoulder. Not questioning the atf, because the atf has already okayed the xo26(franklin armory).

The "gray area" is in CT laws. Because you are firing gun like a pistol, not a long rifle. Yet it doesnt meet either definition.

But with BMG selling tantals without the stock, it is esstially the same as the ARbortion. To me, the tantals in question fall into the same"gray area". But BMG isnt worried about the legality, and is more then willing to sell them.

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Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2012, 11:59:03 PM »
Not quite.  The Tantal is a rifle, with or without the buttstock.  In the same manner that a rifle with a folded stock is still a rifle, so long as its overall length remains above the minimum length.  And a rifle with a folded stock is just as unsuitable for firing from the shoulder as a buttless Tantal. 

The xo26 on the other hand, is not manufactured as a rifle from the start.
The ATF ruling basically follows the logic that it is an overgrown pistol that has a forward grip and is un-concealable, which allows it to skirt the NFA/AOW unless it is actually concealed.  Hence, if you put this thing on a single-point sling and hide it under your trench coat, you have turned it into an unregistered AOW subject to NFA violations and penalties.

With regard to the ARbortion, I expect it is basically a slightly modified copy of the xo26 type but with a longer barrel to get by the CT 12-inch rule.

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Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2012, 09:12:46 AM »
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With regard to the ARbortion, I expect it is basically a slightly modified copy of the xo26 type but with a longer barrel to get by the CT 12-inch rule.

thats the theory at least.

now i kinda wish i didnt get rid of my ak74, shoulda just taken off the shoulder stock and left it that way for hahas.

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is this code for something? maybe a secret life you live? ::)
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Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2012, 10:51:00 AM »
Quote from: firepolock on February 19, 2012, 09:12:46 AM
is this code for something? maybe a secret life you live? ::)

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Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2012, 10:29:04 PM »
Quote from: firepolock on February 18, 2012, 09:11:36 PM
sooooooo, was in BMG today to buy a AR wrench. and as i was buying it, a customer asks to see a polish tantal. except there was NO stock on it at all. and it had the regular length barrel.

 overheard, who i think is the owner there, and he stated that he talked to the ATF, and that it was completely legal due to some of our reasoning here as well as on arfcom on the same subject. granted it did not have a 12 inch barrel on it like weve been talking about. but it meets the OAL like an AR would with a 12bbl and a pistol buffer tube on it.

and i dont think hes too worried about it either, since he is willing to sell it under his own FFL

maybe a corner has been turned?

Not to hijack the thread, but since the Tantal muzzle break is also a grenade launcher, did you happen to notice how they disabled that feature (like welded something on to prevent grenades for fitting)?

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Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2012, 10:39:30 PM »
i didnt get a really good look at it
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