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AR-15 'other' build?
« on: February 15, 2012, 11:16:48 AM »
Just throwing it out there .

From what I hear/see IF you have a firearm with no stock, but over 12.5" barrel it is considered 'other' and does not fall under either pistol nor rifle AWB/NFA laws.

So in essence if you build an ar15 with a pistol tube and a 12.5" barrel you can have it with no tax stamp and all the evil features you want. No?
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Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2012, 11:24:35 AM »
With a couple of minor quibbles, I believe so.

It would have to be built on a receiver that had never been built as a rifle (to keep the Feds happy) and you couldn't have "all" the evil features because one of them is a folding or collapsing stock.

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Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2012, 11:32:38 AM »
With a couple of minor quibbles, I believe so.

It would have to be built on a receiver that had never been built as a rifle (to keep the Feds happy) and you couldn't have "all" the evil features because one of them is a folding or collapsing stock.

You are correct,once a stock is installed it falls under "SBR" territory.

« Last Edit: February 15, 2012, 11:38:25 AM by myglimk2 »
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Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2012, 11:33:40 AM »
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2011/pub/chap950.htm

53a-3 (18)

EDIT: So from the way it is worded, in our fine state anything over 12'' is considered a rifle.
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Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2012, 02:23:32 PM »
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2011/pub/chap950.htm

53a-3 (18)

EDIT: So from the way it is worded, in our fine state anything over 12'' is considered a rifle.


Nope. Doesn't say that at all. Just says anything under 12" is considered a pistol. If you have a revolver with a 13" barrel, it doesn't meet the rifle definition at all.
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Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2012, 01:17:40 PM »
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2011/pub/chap950.htm

53a-3 (18)

EDIT: So from the way it is worded, in our fine state anything over 12'' is considered a rifle.


Ct Definition of a pistol.
http://www.jud.ct.gov/JI/criminal/glossary/pistol_rev.htm
A "pistol" or "revolver" is any firearm having a barrel less than twelve inches. 

Ct Definition of a rifle
http://www.jud.ct.gov/JI/criminal/glossary/rifle.htm
A "rifle" is a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.
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Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2012, 01:54:22 PM »
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2011/pub/chap950.htm

53a-3 (18)

EDIT: So from the way it is worded, in our fine state anything over 12'' is considered a rifle*****???*****


This is the way I meant for it to be----^

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Nope. Doesn't say that at all. Just says anything under 12" is considered a pistol. If you have a revolver with a 13" barrel, it doesn't meet the rifle definition at all.


Thank you for clearing that up CTB.
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Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2012, 08:05:17 PM »
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2011/pub/chap950.htm

53a-3 (18)

EDIT: So from the way it is worded, in our fine state anything over 12'' is considered a rifle*****???*****


This is the way I meant for it to be----^

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Nope. Doesn't say that at all. Just says anything under 12" is considered a pistol. If you have a revolver with a 13" barrel, it doesn't meet the rifle definition at all.


Thank you for clearing that up CTB.


I wish that was clearing it up.  The way CT wrote these definitions, it's about as clear as mud.  They should have just adopted the federal definitions. 
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Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2012, 09:40:50 PM »
Agreed 100%
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Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2012, 09:11:36 PM »
sooooooo, was in BMG today to buy a AR wrench. and as i was buying it, a customer asks to see a polish tantal. except there was NO stock on it at all. and it had the regular length barrel.

 overheard, who i think is the owner there, and he stated that he talked to the ATF, and that it was completely legal due to some of our reasoning here as well as on arfcom on the same subject. granted it did not have a 12 inch barrel on it like weve been talking about. but it meets the OAL like an AR would with a 12bbl and a pistol buffer tube on it.

and i dont think hes too worried about it either, since he is willing to sell it under his own FFL

maybe a corner has been turned?
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Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2012, 09:22:39 PM »
Interesting that you'd mention the Tantal.  We just got some of those in the other day.  They're offered with the stock pinned in either open or closed configuration.  The customer can also remove the stock if he so wishes, as it still remains legal.  Since it makes more sense to have a pinned-extended stock, and he can remove it if he so wishes for a more compact piece, that's what we recommend instead of a pinned-folded stock.  That said, a folding stock is a no-no for a post-ban, but a stock pinned in folded configuration is perfectly legal.  Not particularly practical, but some people just like the look, and who am I to argue?
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Re: AR-15 'other' build?
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2012, 09:33:35 PM »
So if the stockless tantal is perfectly legal, why wouldnt the ARbortion be legal?

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