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Online toadyrock

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Less than lethal ammo for home defense.
« on: June 04, 2011, 01:41:43 PM »
I have seen some good arguments about using and not using less than lethal 00 rubber buckshot as a home defense round. Pros: less penetration, still makes a scary sound to chase off intruder, + due to Connecticut horrible retreat laws.  Though?
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Re: Less than lethal ammo for home defense.
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2011, 01:55:49 PM »
No, just no.
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Re: Less than lethal ammo for home defense.
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2011, 02:22:05 PM »
Quote from: toadyrock on June 04, 2011, 01:41:43 PM
... still makes a scary sound to chase off intruder ...

I assume that's meant to be funny, kind of how some people think the racking sound of a pump shotgun will scare off intruders.

When my life is on the line I don't want to rely on less than lethal force for self defense, especially when the criminal will be using lethal force to defend his or her life...
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Re: Less than lethal ammo for home defense.
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2011, 02:40:33 PM »
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

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Re: Less than lethal ammo for home defense.
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2011, 03:12:13 PM »
My suggestion was use bird shot if they were worried about penatration. Oh and know what is beyond your target. 
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Re: Less than lethal ammo for home defense.
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2011, 06:35:50 PM »
a bubble machine, strobe lights, rubber band shooter, and a recording of a barking dog/s  8)
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Re: Less than lethal ammo for home defense.
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2011, 06:36:57 PM »
oh and maybe add a fog machine in there someplace and shooting net traps
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Re: Less than lethal ammo for home defense.
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2011, 09:04:44 PM »
Just my opinion.

In a home defense scenario, you can help manage and control the situation with advanced planning.  It is afterall your home.  You can design it in such a way as to give you as much home turf advantage as possible.  

Redundant alarm systems with battery backup is the most important.  All your guns won't do you any good if you're sound asleep or never heard the intruder come in.

Zoning.  Know where the intruder is.  Passive infrared motion detectors like in the X10 series can notify you wirelessly which rooms have a warm body in them, doubling as alarm system and intruder tracking.

Video surveilance.  Not just to know where they are and to help the cops catch them if/when they run away, but to also aid in your legal defense if they force you to shoot them.  Know if its an armed intruder or an unarmed idiot kid that, even if you had full justification in shooting, the politicians, media and activist judges and idiot jury will lock you away for.  In such cases, it is not *worth* destroying your life with a shooting, if the kid can be driven out and a copy of the video passed to the police.

If you know where they are, you can use your home as a weapon.  Since this topic is on less-than-lethal responses, then I will bypass the lethal options and suggest using things that will drive the badguys out, or disable them.  Like smoke grenades to make them think the house is on fire, and to blind them.  You can also rig a can of bear spray to detonate in any given room if need be by taping a .223 cartridge to it with the bullet pulled and a model rocketry pyrotechnic initiator in its place.  (cleanup will be a pain though, but better messy than dead).  Remote triggered home made flash bangs.  And if the intruders still want to come up the stairs, it is a natural choke point with a 12 gauge up top loaded with lethal ammunition waiting for them.

Its your home.  Give yourself the most home team advantage.  But when you have to shoot, shoot to kill.
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Re: Less than lethal ammo for home defense.
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2011, 10:19:38 PM »
I would just buy a bb gun or sling shot ;D

sorry i just had to say that.If your goin to shoot a gun at somebody in your home that just busted in .Why would you want to let them have a slight chance or getting up from said Non Lethal round and put a real round into you or or loved ones?? Less than lethal rounds are for Riots and such never for home defense.

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Re: Less than lethal ammo for home defense.
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2011, 10:53:21 PM »
Why less than lethal? In case you didn't notice the bullshit state we are in. If someone breaks into your house to steal something and you shoot them it is on you to prove they intended you "grave" bodily harm. If they didn't and you kill them be ready for jail. I don't agree with it but its the state we are in and the laws. Personally I have been spending a lot of time planning and practicing. For my buddy who isn't comfortable I told him he would be better with bear mace than untrained and uncomfortable with a firearm.
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Re: Less than lethal ammo for home defense.
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2011, 01:32:24 AM »
With all the home invasions and people beaten, assaulted, or killed from a intruder in CT, I for one am not going to take my chances or risk my family being subjected to this. If I, or my family, hurt mr. bad guy he/they should count his/their blessings that's all he/they got. You are right about the state sucking / dropping the ball on this issue. Its amazing how WE should be the ones put at risk by our government and be told to let the bad guy do/take whatever he wants to us or from us. My take on it is...If the state can make assumptions / presumptions on its people by statistics and pass laws or arrest people by these statistics and assumptions / presumptions then I will do the same with an intruder/s inside my home. The home that I pay taxes for, that I pay the bills for, that I work to stay in, where I have my family etc etc etc.  The vast majority of these statistics are funny, that the state does and are pretty much flawed. Tilted heavily in their favor or a parties agendas to get laws and bills passed. Making themselves look good and of course more money in their pockets, for the state and the gov officials. The thing is I do not need a statistic to tell me whether or not the intruder/s in my house is a nice guy/s just down on his luck...bull$%^&. First thing he is an intruder, he/they broke into my house which means right off the bat he/they are a criminal and criminals do an assortment of bad things. Do or should I want to sit down and have tea with this intruder and find out his intentions are? No, its a first to react situation for me. Taking the target/s out fast before he/they hurt, harms, what ever he/they have in store for me and my family.
  Good luck in your search for less than lethal items for home defense. My first post in here is not to far off for less than lethal. They did sound a bit funny but strobe, angry dog barking cd, fog machine, flashing flood lights, and sirens are indeed an alternative to lethal force. Add in spray glue, fire extinguisher - every time I used one inside it seems to also remove the oxygen from the air-, ink die,  and pepper/bear spray. Disorientation and mind tricks on the intruder.
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Re: Less than lethal ammo for home defense.
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2011, 08:46:41 AM »
@Mustang - Agreed.

Leftist politicians like we have in CT just love victims.  They would use your dead corpse to push for more legislation.  If you defend yourself and shoot the badguy, they'll turn the badguy into the victim and push for more legislation.  The culture of victimhood is used as an excuse by the politicians to grab more power.  They will try and use any corpse, yours or the intruders, to further that agenda.  They perceive the self sufficient and self reliant as a threat to their power.  That being said, it should also be made very clear that anyone invading your territory does so at their peril, and are subject to your judgment, and your mercy.  Right there, right then.  If you can give yourself the ability to respond in a graduated and flexible manner, it will give you the option to choose the lethality level and type of legal confrontation as you decide. 

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